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I think I should leave all the speaking from 'this side' to Mr. Gray, because he says it much better than I could (but it's sooooooo tempting to get my two penneth in :-)

You have both said something which hits home with me. There are extreme scientists and extreme non-scientists (the New Agers I usually bash all the time), but they aren't the only ones.

What you have to remember about scientific advancement is that it comes from observation and speculation. Scientists have to come with some pretty far fetched theories sometimes before finding the reasons behind something.

Agreed FW, but the big problem is the method of observation. Looking for 'reasons' is not as holistic as observing a process. It's the dialectical relationship of a process within the framework of existence which is lacking, and it's that crucial (and not easy) difference between rationalising and understanding. It's not a toss up between looking for a reason or observing a process, it's the two parts that give a bigger picture. Science is irresponsible without the bigger picture, and ironically more handtied because of it. Looking at external interacions as well as dynamics. Like seeing a 'bird flying' is different to seeing 'flying', the process, the interaction.

There's that's a whole 10p!

Ride on indeed :-)