Sacred Landscapes

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As a non-religious person, I have terrible difficulties with terms such as `sacred landscapes`.

Nothing is sacred, to me.

It seems that if someone with religious beliefs describes something as sacred, then it is!

Well, it isn`t to me.

For instance, the Kaaba in Mecca is probably regarded as the `most` sacred thing on Earth to hundreds of millions of people. Wherever they are, they face it to pray. To me, it`s a stone, probably a meteorite. I just have to accept that other people regard it as sacred, but that doesn`t mean that *I* have to regard it as sacred.

`Sacred` has no meaning, to me.

`Sacred landscapes` is even worse, when used in a prehistoric context. We don`t know if any site was regarded as sacred, a few thousand years ago in Britain. Even if they were thought of as sacred by the prehistoric people living there, I believe that they were mistaken, just as I regard a present-day Christian as being wrong when he/she thinks of their local church as being sacred.


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... me?

I s'pose its problematic being the actual definition of the word 'sacred' is supposed to appertain to a religionof sorts. But being realistic, the word has a far broader and more secular use today. So for myself, I have no real problem with a landscape or 'space' being sacred to anyone. In fact I expect many of us on here have our own sacred spaces here and there, be it where one first communed with the spirits or had yer first shag.

Let's face it; Old Trafford is a sacred space to millions of people (not me I might add) and I think that use of the word "sacred", to describe a place say, has far greater meaning used to denote a place of particular resnonance and specialness to a person than its old associations with religion and either deities or saints etc.
The dictionary needs an update frankly.

This is a wonderful discussion. I don't agree that no land is sacred. I don't know much about megaliths, but I can put a stone in the ground. I really truly believe that so much of our interest in megalithia is born just from our desire to step outside. It gives us focal point from which to experience the bigger focal point. I cannot come to terms with the fact that 'nature' is referred to as 'outside' It is inside us, and all around us, but not 'outside'.

Something 'sacred' to me, is something useful to me. Reductionist theories are usually disproving hypotheses, therefore inclined towards non-experience other than the umbra nihil, the great nothingness from which learning comes? I view 'sacred' landscapes (traditionally) as just EXAMPLES of a culture. The culture revered the land, it was echoed in the treatment of the land. We are in the death throes of our reverence. Our culture is a use-it-up-and-look-elsewhere culture. Much of our culture (Western Capitalism) has had it's umbilical cord stretched so far from the land via techno-jabber and proxy, that it has forgotten the truth of the great spirit . It has been replaced by the great nothingness of mental laziness, afforded by living out lives of proxy. That is to say, we shop, therefore we are. All land is sacred, unless one is a committed nihilist? Any land 'set aside' or managed for 'spiritual' use, whether burial or worship, or communication with the gods/esses, is land that is USED ), it is land that every bit as important (if not more so) than land set aside for crops. Anyone that has ever personally harvested from the land knows about sacred space. Surely? I'd like to add that a space made sacred to remind us that ALL is sacred, is the most sacred of spaces. I can see how people balk at the word 'spritual' and 'sacred', because for some, there are neither things. And I don't mean that derogatorily. I appreciate someone by their effect, not their belief.

And spiritually,/developmentally/intellectually, I cannot say strongly enough how many lessons are to be learned from the natural landscape and its denizens. It hurts and angers so much to see that we are pulling down our global 'school' for salesmen.

That's all to too 'rational' for me, so I'll let someone else say what I feel:

"I thought the earth remembered me,
she took me back so tenderly,
arranging her dark skirts, her pockets
full of lichens and seeds.
I slept as never before, a stone on the river bed,
nothing between me and the white fire of the stars
but my thoughts, and they floated light as moths
among the branches of the perfect trees.
All night I heard the small kingdoms
breathing around me, the insects,
and the birds who do their work in the darkness.
All night I rose and fell, as if in water,
grappling with a luminous doom. By morning
I had vanished at least a dozen times
into something better."


from Sleeping In The Forest by Mary Oliver

"just as I regard a present-day Christian as being wrong when he/she thinks of their local church as being sacred."

How can you say someone is 'wrong' when you are dealing with such pure subjectivity as personal sacred space?

Then presumably you wouldn't mind me bulldozing Stonehenge? We can build a computer model instead? Things are sacred for many reasons, mathematicians, archeos, religious types, farmers, artists, children, etc etc. What I can't understand is refusal to believe this.

:-)

> Nothing is sacred, to me.

Isn't this missing the point a bit. You don't have to be religious to understand the idea of 'sanctity'. I don't have direct experience of having my ears sliced off, but I have an idea that it might hurt.

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> We don`t know if any site was regarded as sacred, a few thousand years ago in Britain.

I'd dispute this. We couldn't expect to get much more evidence than we have that there were concepts of sanctity in prehistoric Britain. The dead were treated with respect, and placed in specific areas relating to the landscape. Why did these practises take place if not for some religious or spiritual purpose? Why bother creating sites that required such great human effort for earthly purposes (and by that I mean non-supernatural in a conventional sense)?

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