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On the day the (bloody) Brexit Bill clears its last hurdle the Greeks suggest returning the Parthenon marbles as a symbolic act against sinister forces seeking the 'dissolution of Europe'.
I agree with them. We should. An ideal moment.
;)

We know what country they belong to.

We know exactly where they came from.

If we return them to Greece then UK taxpayers don't need to pay display costs, upkeep, maintenance and staffing costs.

Plus we wouldn't have the International Cringe Factor of still justifying keeping them. Like some rich German with some former Jewish-Owned Paintings looted from the Warsaw Ghetto. It is just embarassing and makes some of us feel bad when we bump into Greek friends and they ask...

Also if we keep up this pantomime any longer, the Greek people could probably just take the UK to The International Court and have them forcibly retrieved and returned by some EU Antiquities Theft Enforcement Police.

I went to see them about thirty years ago and they are a bit knocked about. Like they have been through the wars.

nigelswift wrote:
On the day the (bloody) Brexit Bill clears its last hurdle the Greeks suggest returning the Parthenon marbles as a symbolic act against sinister forces seeking the 'dissolution of Europe'.
I agree with them. We should. An ideal moment.
;)
I haven't come across that news story yet - perhaps the Beeb is playing it down in the face of so much existing dissent in the country. I don't agree with the above 'reason' for returning them when this has been an ongoing dispute for years. Citing 'sinister forces seeking the dissolution of Europe' seems to be opportunism. Its all so depressing and not something I personally can get worked up about either way.

Anyway, here is a position statement from the Trustees of the British
Museum along with a list of 'common misconceptions'. It doesn't sound as though they would be willing to relinquish them any time soon.
http://www.britishmuseum.org/about_us/news_and_press/statements/parthenon_sculptures/trustees_statement.aspx

nigelswift wrote:
On the day the (bloody) Brexit Bill clears its last hurdle the Greeks suggest returning the Parthenon marbles as a symbolic act against sinister forces seeking the 'dissolution of Europe'.
I agree with them. We should. An ideal moment.
;)
Interesting dilemma though...

My understanding - perhaps erroneous - is that past Greek governments didn't give a monkey's about the Pathenon, which was allowed to fall into complete decay, even used as a fort during the Turkish occupation.

By all accounts Lord Elgin wasn't a man you'd wish to have a drink with... you'd end up paying... selling the marbles, crudely hacked from the superstructure by labourers, to the British Museum upon bankruptcy. Typical, worthless British aristocracy.

However the point is the Greek authorities didn't give a damn until the issue became political. That frightening spectre of Nationalism currently employed by Sturgeon when times are hard - people are far more receptive to politicians telling them they are hard done by... which suddenly makes history so important. Someone else is to blame, not you. The marbles can not be returned to the Pathenon, so I assume they would be housed within the (relatively) new museum the Greeks 'somehow' found the money to build while countless billions in debt? Whereas the Egyptians are more than happy to send Tutankhamun's stuff on apparently endless world tours?

Perhaps that is the crux of the issue. Not where the artefacts are, but a tacit recognition of who 'owns' them? The marbles were created to adorn a temple dedicated to Athena... investigate that if you will, but it is not healthy. The new husband of the woman I bought my car from decides that 'times have changed,' and I must give it back?

Personally I would sell the marbles back to the Grecian government. They do not need to be in the British Museum... in my opinion. I think our own history/prehistory is more than enough. An isolated Britain took an primary lead in saving Greece from Nazi enslavement. Didn't that pay off the debts of a moron British aristocrat? Let's talk sensibly about this, perhaps?