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is started by either greed or need. I believe we have a big enough world and the intelligence to conquer at least one of those. unfortunately the one creates the other. And if it hasn't created it, it will certainly profit from it.

I don't believe that human nature is flawed, i think we are 'taught'. So many different systems (as you say) over history have created war, but they all have one thing in common and that's control.

Capitalism may be less controlling in many ways than state communism, and I'm not an advocate for either. I don't see why it has to be X or Y. Neither have done much to elevate the human spirit above the trough. The trough is easy ti fill, it's restrictions that are set in place by those that control that make the trough more easily filled by the controllers. Whether they are investors or dictators. Althogh I'm not a signed up Anarchist, i read all arguments, and this article struck home (how capitalism sets us against each other and then says competition is human nature)

http://flag.blackened.net/revolt/ws91/nature33.html

Any comments appreciated, this is V Good discussion!

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Posted by morfe lux
10th September 2003ce
21:33

In reply to:

Re: Marx again (Dog 3000)

2 replies:

Re: War (Dog 3000)

Re: War & Human nature (necropolist)

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What is better than Capitalism?

(morfe lux, Sep 08, 2003, 15:21)

neither will... (morfe lux, Sep 08, 2003, 15:24)
Re: What is better than Capitalism? (Rhiannon, Sep 08, 2003, 16:09)
- Re: What is better than Capitalism? (Lawrence, Sep 08, 2003, 18:09)
- Small scale societies where you . . . (Dog 3000, Sep 08, 2003, 20:03)
  - Re: Small scale societies where you . . . (morfe lux, Sep 08, 2003, 20:17)
    - Re: Small scale societies where you . . (anthonyqkiernan, Sep 08, 2003, 20:20)
      - Re: Small scale societies where you . . (Dog 3000, Sep 08, 2003, 20:32)
        moral concerns (morfe lux, Sep 08, 2003, 20:51)
        "Natural capitalism"? (Dog 3000, Sep 08, 2003, 21:11)
        Re: "Natural capitalism"? (MonkeyBoy, Sep 08, 2003, 22:57)
        Re: "Natural capitalism"? (Dog 3000, Sep 08, 2003, 23:02)
        Re: "Natural capitalism"? (MonkeyBoy, Sep 08, 2003, 23:30)
        "Common ownership"? (Dog 3000, Sep 08, 2003, 23:44)
        Re: "Common ownership"? (MonkeyBoy, Sep 08, 2003, 23:55)
        Re: "Common ownership"? (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 00:04)
        Re: moral concerns (anthonyqkiernan, Sep 08, 2003, 21:13)
        Re: moral concerns (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 01:27)
        Re: moral concerns (anthonyqkiernan, Sep 09, 2003, 12:08)
        Re: moral concerns (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 15:23)
    - Capitalism the term (Dog 3000, Sep 08, 2003, 20:27)
      - Re: Capitalism the term (FourWinds, Sep 09, 2003, 10:48)
      - Re: Capitalism the term (necropolist, Sep 09, 2003, 12:49)
        Re: Capitalism the term (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 15:26)
        Re: Capitalism the term (shamanic miner, Sep 09, 2003, 15:37)
        PS (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 15:41)
        What do you think would be better? (necropolist, Sep 09, 2003, 16:21)
  - Re: Small scale societies where you . . . (MonkeyBoy, Sep 08, 2003, 23:45)
    - Re: Small scale societies where you . . . (Dog 3000, Sep 08, 2003, 23:50)
- Re: What is better than Capitalism? (morfe lux, Sep 08, 2003, 20:27)
  - Re: What is better than Capitalism? (FourWinds, Sep 09, 2003, 11:34)
    - Re: What is better than Capitalism? (Toni Torino, Sep 09, 2003, 11:37)
      - Re: What is better than Capitalism? (FourWinds, Sep 09, 2003, 11:40)
        Re: What is better than Capitalism? (Toni Torino, Sep 09, 2003, 11:41)
        Re: What is better than Capitalism? (ron, Sep 09, 2003, 20:27)
    - Re: What is better than Capitalism? (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 15:45)
Re: What is better than Capitalism? (mistletoe, Sep 08, 2003, 21:43)
- Sorry. That was me not mistletoe... (PaulMakesMusic, Sep 08, 2003, 21:47)
- Re: What is better than Capitalism? (Dog 3000, Sep 08, 2003, 22:55)
  - Re: What is better than Capitalism? (MonkeyBoy, Sep 08, 2003, 23:35)
    - A world without "money" (Dog 3000, Sep 08, 2003, 23:39)
      - Re: A world without "money" (MonkeyBoy, Sep 09, 2003, 00:08)
        Re: A world without "money" (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 00:15)
        Re: A world without "money" (MonkeyBoy, Sep 09, 2003, 00:38)
        Re: A world without "money" (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 02:20)
        Re: A world without "money" (necropolist, Sep 09, 2003, 13:49)
        The real question is (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 15:48)
        Re: The real question is (necropolist, Sep 09, 2003, 16:15)
        Re: The real question is (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 17:28)
        Re: The real question is (stray, Sep 09, 2003, 18:27)
        Re: The real question is (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 21:07)
        Re: The real question is (stray, Sep 09, 2003, 22:46)
        Re: The real question is (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 22:58)
        Re: The real question is (stray, Sep 09, 2003, 23:11)
        Re: The real question is (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 23:21)
        Re: The real question is (stray, Sep 09, 2003, 23:53)
        Re: The real question is (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 00:00)
        Re: The real question is (necropolist, Sep 10, 2003, 09:48)
        marx & the internet (necropolist, Sep 10, 2003, 09:58)
        Re: The real question is (necropolist, Sep 10, 2003, 10:14)
        o bugger, another final point (necropolist, Sep 10, 2003, 10:51)
        Marx again (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 19:11)
        Re: Marx again (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 19:21)
        Re: Marx again (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 19:24)
        Re: Marx again (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 19:26)
        Re: Marx again (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 19:35)
        Re: Marx again (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 19:45)
        Re: Marx again (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 19:59)
        Re: Marx again (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 20:03)
        Re: Marx again (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 20:10)
        Re: Marx again (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 20:22)
        Freedom (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 20:37)
        Born free. (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 20:27)
        Re: Born free. (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 20:34)
        Re: Born free. (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 20:45)
        War (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 21:33)
        Re: War (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 22:01)
        Re: War (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 22:11)
        Re: War (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 22:24)
        Nature (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 22:35)
        Re: Nature (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 23:06)
        Re: Nature (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 23:19)
        Re: Nature (Dog 3000, Sep 11, 2003, 00:02)
        Re: Nature (morfe lux, Sep 11, 2003, 01:49)
        Re: War (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 22:16)
        Re: War (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 22:18)
        Re: War (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 22:34)
        Selfishness (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 22:38)
        Re: War & Human nature (necropolist, Sep 11, 2003, 01:55)
        Re: Marx again (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 19:27)
        Re: Marx again (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 19:38)
        Re: Marx again (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 19:52)
        predictions & a bit of state capitalism (necropolist, Sep 11, 2003, 01:35)
        the 'system' (necropolist, Sep 11, 2003, 01:47)
        Re: o bugger, another final point (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 22:22)
        Re: o bugger, another final point (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 22:36)
        ah! (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 22:42)
        Re: ah! (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 22:54)
        Re: o bugger, another final point (necropolist, Sep 11, 2003, 00:37)
    - Re: What is better than Capitalism? (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 01:34)
      - Re: What is better than Capitalism? (FourWinds, Sep 09, 2003, 11:39)
        The question of liquid cheese (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 16:07)
        plus (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 16:19)
        Re: plus (necropolist, Sep 09, 2003, 16:27)
        Re: plus (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 16:33)
        Re: plus (necropolist, Sep 09, 2003, 16:48)
- Re: What is better than Capitalism? (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 01:31)
  - Re: What is better than Capitalism? (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 02:16)
    - Re: What is better than Capitalism? (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 03:24)
      - Technology! (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 04:03)
        Re: Technology! (FourWinds, Sep 09, 2003, 11:49)
        Re: Technology! (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 17:34)
        Re: Technology! (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 19:13)
        Re: Technology! (anthonyqkiernan, Sep 09, 2003, 20:01)
        Re: Technology! (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 20:12)
        Re: Technology! (anthonyqkiernan, Sep 09, 2003, 20:27)
        Re: Technology! (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 21:55)
        Re: Technology! (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 22:03)
        Re: Technology! (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 22:09)
        Re: Technology! (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 22:21)
        Re: Technology! (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 22:39)
        Back of the class (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 22:54)
        Re: Back of the class (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 23:01)
        Re: Back of the class (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 23:10)
        Re: Back of the class (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 23:22)
        I'm overworked! (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 23:29)
        Re: Technology! (FourWinds, Sep 10, 2003, 07:27)
        3rd world birth rates (necropolist, Sep 10, 2003, 11:02)
        Re: 3rd world birth rates (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 19:21)
        Re: 3rd world birth rates (necropolist, Sep 10, 2003, 23:58)
        Re: 3rd world birth rates (Dog 3000, Sep 11, 2003, 00:22)
        Re: 3rd world birth rates (necropolist, Sep 11, 2003, 00:53)
        Re: 3rd world birth rates (Dog 3000, Sep 11, 2003, 06:18)
        Re: 3rd world birth rates (necropolist, Sep 11, 2003, 09:40)
        Re: 3rd world birth rates (Dog 3000, Sep 11, 2003, 18:56)
        Re: 3rd world birth rates (necropolist, Sep 11, 2003, 21:16)
        Re: 3rd world birth rates (necropolist, Sep 11, 2003, 21:21)
        Re: 3rd world birth rates (Dog 3000, Sep 11, 2003, 22:23)
        Blink and you will miss it (FourWinds, Sep 11, 2003, 07:19)
        Re: Blink and you will miss it (morfe lux, Sep 11, 2003, 14:54)
        Re: Blink and you will miss it (morfe lux, Sep 11, 2003, 15:08)
        Re: Technology! (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 22:13)
        Re: Technology! (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 22:13)
        Re: Technology! (FourWinds, Sep 10, 2003, 07:31)
        Re: Technology! (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 19:25)
        Re: Technology! (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 19:37)
        Re: Technology! (MonkeyBoy, Sep 10, 2003, 19:49)
        Re: Technology! (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 19:56)
        Re: Technology! (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 19:55)
        Re: Technology! (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 19:59)
        Re: Technology! (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 20:17)
        Re: Technology! (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 20:31)
        Re: Technology! (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 20:49)
        Re: Technology! (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 22:48)
        Re: Technology! (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 23:12)
        Re: Technology! (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 15:52)
        Re: Technology! (ron, Sep 09, 2003, 20:19)
        Re: Technology! (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 21:29)
        Re: Technology! (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 21:47)
        Re: Technology! (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 22:06)
        fission (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 22:42)
        Re: fission (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 22:44)
        Re: fission (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 22:57)
        fusion (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 23:04)
        Re: Technology! (FourWinds, Sep 10, 2003, 07:36)
        Re: Technology! (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 19:23)
        Re: Technology! (ron, Sep 09, 2003, 22:12)
      - Re: What is better than Capitalism? (cancer boy, Sep 09, 2003, 16:36)
        Re: What is better than Capitalism? (necropolist, Sep 09, 2003, 16:46)
        Re: What is better than Capitalism? (ratcni01, Sep 09, 2003, 23:28)
Radio 4 in the next half hour (anthonyqkiernan, Sep 08, 2003, 22:16)
Re: What is better than Capitalism? (Proserpine, Sep 08, 2003, 22:26)
- Owls (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 01:37)
Re: What is better than Capitalism? (Proserpine, Sep 08, 2003, 22:44)
An Anarchist Communist Theocracy (stray, Sep 09, 2003, 18:30)
Re: wow (Moon Cat, Sep 09, 2003, 20:23)
- Re: wow (anthonyqkiernan, Sep 09, 2003, 20:30)
  - Re: wow (Moon Cat, Sep 09, 2003, 20:32)
    - The Purple Age Of Moon Cat..... (Toni Torino, Sep 10, 2003, 11:12)
Re: What is better than Capitalism? (shamanic miner, Sep 10, 2003, 13:27)

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