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tiompan wrote: Sanctuary wrote: tiompan wrote: tjj wrote: tiompan wrote: Sanctuary wrote: tiompan wrote: tjj wrote: Sanctuary wrote: It is an interesting stone isn't it? The other take on it is that the cup marks may represent star constellations. Speculation about 'religious' practices is just that - speculation. However,I think it is fairly safe to say ancient peoples marked the turning of the year (solstices/equinoxes) and studied the constellations - which would have been so very much more visible to the naked eye than in general today. http://www.pasthorizons.com/in[...]-represent-star-constellations The interesting and informative aspect is that the abstract rock art of Britain doesn't appear to represent constellations or the night sky at all . We might expect it to and should really be able to squeeze some sort of "possible" representation out of the the huge number of possibilities but none are convincing . Yes I agree even though it is a tantilising concept. What does bug me though, is if Joe Public comes up with some of these ideas they are sneered at, yet if a 'name' suggests the possibility it is seriously considered it would seem! Or am I wrong there? I think your'e right . It reminds of me of last years foot ,spiral , and fish iirc being found at Forteviot when it was obviously nothing of the kind but still a really interesting example of rock art , by gilding the lily they spoilt it .Now they don't even mention it . In this case they havn't presented any evidence yet . There are so many problems ,Imentioned a few of them elsewhere so please exscuse the copy ."Looking forward to the drawings .It will be a first if it is as promised .My guess is that it is more likely a case of apophenia .Some problems that come to mind from the limited amount of info . Orion has 7 stars Cassio 5 Sirius and the pole star gives a total of 14 from 70 .Do the remainder fit ? If Sirius is there where is Aldebaran , the belt points to both , Procion and Rigel are also prominent around Orion , are they also missing ? At the time of build of Portal tombs the pole star was Thuban which was quite faint , would it really have been viewed as important enough to mark and is there a relationship between magnitude and size of cup (Frankie Howard )? "They mention a section of the sky when Thuban to Orion are pretty much half of the entire horizon . Very interesting Tiompan; I am guessing that you may in touch with people like Professor George Nash because of the rock art connection. He much surely know the same facts as you have stated above - why do you think conjecture such as 'constellation map' and 'ritual way-mark' have been made when they are ultimately misleading to anyone who has on one hand a keen interest, possibly his own students, though on the other a limited knowledge of astronomy (the ritual/religious aspect is anyone's guess). At least I've learnt the meaning of apophenia = the spontaneous perception of connections and meaningfulness of unrelated phenomena. Term was coined by K. Conrad in 1958 (Brugger). The constellation stuff is attributable to nameless "astronomers " TJJ and that is the bigger mistake as it is refutable . If archaeologists accept what they say in relation to the slightly more technical aspect and ignore the obvious i.e. you could find anything among these points/cups plus a history of similar failed attempts then thats their problem .The ritual way marker is just conjecture as you say , you could discuss it forever it's just a matter of opinion but it's not really in the same league as ordered architecture like avenues ,passages and entrances , it is after all a collapsed capstone not a standing stone .In it's original state it would have functioned to a greater extent as an ordering architectural feature . It has to be very difficult for an archaeologist or serious researcher to not reach a 'conclusion' at times. If you have studied a subject for many years and feel you have as gone as far as you can in a belief (because that in the main is what it will only always be) and see no other plausible explanation, then it has to be very tempting to 'reveal all'. Unfortunately for a recognised figure it could end their career, while someone such as myself for instance can say what they like and carry on regardless! And of course the pressure is always there that someone else may come up with the same idea as you and beat you to it if you don't make a stand earlier. It must be one of the most frustrating things ever to study and research endlessly and not reach a conclusion. When a referee or bus driver makes a mistake it might be the end of their careers but not archaeologists . Nobody cares and for the few that do it's all forgotten in a season or two ,by then there is another article/book written and others making coming out with equally unlikely stories .Lets face it if and when the astronomers findings are made public and they are shown to be wishful thinking , although some will still buy it , there will be no press announcements it will quietly disappear , meanwhile there has been a nice bit of publicity . Happens all the time and possibly it's driven by funding as much as anything else . Less than a year on and not a word on the previous years headlines and " astronomers "findings . http://www.pasthorizonspr.com/[...]ries-at-trefael-stone-in-wales Reply | with quote |  16th October 2011ce 12:44 In reply to: Re: Trefael..more may and maybe's (tiompan) |
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