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sanshee wrote:
http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-4b38-Corbyn-can-heal-Britains-Brexit-divide#.WJEETuRvjcs

Corbyn has infuriated me at times, but I see what he's up against.
More creeps around him using Brexit as another excuse to oust him.
Nothing more.
Only this article explains why that's not so swift of them to try to do so.
I don't understand the love for the EU.
People were cheering Greece for their anti-austerity stance and that very austerity was being imposed by the EU, but many of the same people cheerlead the EU anyways.
Hell the EU even punished the Greek govt for awarding their pensioners Xmas bonuses.
https://euobserver.com/economic/136278

That may be because a) people don't know what the ECB is and what it does and b) the story (as told in the UK) focused more on it being a problem of conditions imposed by the IMF and by individual nation state creditors (primarily Germany) rather than the EU as a political collective. The Greeks being vitriolic about the EU's role was reported but there was little commentary from UK media that painted Syriza in a good light while the Germans were made to look like heartless bullies. Don't remember the debts to France and Spain (and their positions) ever being mentioned. Let alone Ireland, Italy and the other potential candidates for having billions in funny money showered over their economy.

I expect that with the Brexit vote a year away Cameron decided it best to keep shtum on one of those rare stories that made EU scpetics on both sides of the spectrum happy - "Commies given billions of YOUR money to sit on their arses" OR "heartless technocrats and free market loons punish innocent victims of ruling class corruption". Cameron decided it best to make noises about governments having to pay their way unlike evil Labour etc etc.

Lest we forget that the only British MPs to show up regularly to pro Greece events in London that summer were Corbyn, Abbott and Lucas. Plus Owen Jones of course. No unanimity of approach on the EU among that cast list.

So yes I found it mystifying too but then again, despite the creation of economic punishment battalions within the EU, I voted "remain" on the basis that I wasn't in the business of giving succor to racists and racism-lite blood and soil types. Like the pro Brexit people happy to take any risk with the economy to stay in I was happy to take any risk with the EU's instincts towards Federalism in order to put a final nail in UKIP's serial deposit-losing coffin. The poorer members of society are always at the mercy of a ruling class whatever the -ism. It's the nature of capitalism itself. Demolishing the EU takes us nowhere nearer to fixing that problem. It actually takes us further away. Also people being put on trains, boats and planes to face God knows what fate (which is now far more likely to happen than not and has already been happening on a small scale) tends to be more the specialisation of those who hate the hardest and those who hated the hardest certainly won the referendum day whatever gloss you would prefer to put on it.

Applause. It's always struck me as odd that pro-Leave people cite "austerity" as an EU creation. Whatever the situation in Greece was and is, austerity in this country is an ideologically driven Tory creation, building on firmly Thatcher's "no such thing as society".

Leaving the EU (and with it the European Convention on Human Rights, which I don't recall being mentioned on the ballot paper) pushes us all further into the clutches of a Tory government with no handbrakes on. Not to mention the looming likelihood of US "investment" into the NHS, etc. Taking back control, eh?

Voting 'leave' was no more voting for Nigel Farage than voting 'remain' was voting for George Osborne.
I did not vote Farage, I am sure you did not vote Osborne.
Those two are just the difference between shite and excrement.
Anyway, Farage was on Loose Women the other day FFS, we really have nothing to worry about from *him*.
And as you say the coffers are drying up.
There are some elements of the press and elsewhere that just-does-not-get-it.
We are not all 'EU citizens', but everyone is told they are and that they ought to be ashamed for even questioning it.
There are millions of adults in the UK who have neither a driving license or a passport.
They barely have the means to move freely from one town to another let alone 'around Europe'.
The ones who are referred to as 'the poor', and pitied to death. Sort of. When it suits. Yer Owen Jones is one of the biggest culprits there I'm afraid.
Now does leaving the EU mean 'the poor' will suddenly have more money etc etc...
No, of course not. And I am sure millions voted leave who did have a driving licence and a passport etc.
But it ain't that simple, people have been condescended to and patronised for so long something had to give.