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Astralcat wrote:
I visit a few other sites re. heritage/ancient culture and I must be honest that they are friendlier and more open minded to alternative worldviews/ideas etc. TMA seems to operate on a 'acceptable' v 'unacceptable' as established by a dominant core of contributors.
I can't speak for anyone else, but that's certainly not true from my point of view. I couldn't give two whoots what you believe. I'm even potentially interested in hearing about/discussing some of those beliefs. I don't find them remotely unacceptable. The problem only arises when you try and tell people that they're facts. I'm sure this has been said before, but if you simply prefixed your statements with "I believe", then I think you'd find this place a lot more accepting. It's all about compromise ;)

Astralcat wrote:
I will say this though. How on earth can you satisfactorily 'prove' something to a purely scientific materialist about something that cannot be proved within their limited framework. You can't. That's where personally experience, study, experimentation comes in.
Of course you can't. That's why it ain't a fact. Facts are things that can be demonstrated and proven.

Exactly! Yet again!

Mustard wrote:
Astralcat wrote:
I visit a few other sites re. heritage/ancient culture and I must be honest that they are friendlier and more open minded to alternative worldviews/ideas etc. TMA seems to operate on a 'acceptable' v 'unacceptable' as established by a dominant core of contributors.
I can't speak for anyone else, but that's certainly not true from my point of view. I couldn't give two whoots what you believe. I'm even potentially interested in hearing about/discussing some of those beliefs. I don't find them remotely unacceptable. The problem only arises when you try and tell people that they're facts. I'm sure this has been said before, but if you simply prefixed your statements with "I believe", then I think you'd find this place a lot more accepting. It's all about compromise ;)

Astralcat wrote:
I will say this though. How on earth can you satisfactorily 'prove' something to a purely scientific materialist about something that cannot be proved within their limited framework. You can't. That's where personally experience, study, experimentation comes in.
Of course you can't. That's why it ain't a fact. Facts are things that can be demonstrated and proven.
HAHAHAA !!! LOL! You really have made me laugh. Cancel the world moving forward beacause hey chaps, we work only within restricted limits that by their very nature can only confirm what we already understand anyway!

Mustard wrote:
Facts are things that can be demonstrated and proven.
The OED actually defines ‘fact’ as, “A thing known for certain to have occurred or to be true; a datum of experience.” That throws the ball game wide open imho as the meaning of practically every word in the sentence can be debated.

Perhaps ‘truth’ (as defined by scientific methodology) might be a better word to use (eg that the earth revolves around the sun is a scientifically proven truth) though even here the ‘fact’ that we’re using just one yardstick (science) to prove that something is true rather rules out other yardsticks that might be equally valid in arriving at the truth...

Whatever that is... :-)