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Can't say I'm overly surprised about today's call for a GE, even cameron didn't want to take on the obvious fiasco that was brexit and May's just shown how weak her hand is. Will this change anything? Doubtful, I don't believe Corbyn has enough public support to win a GE outright, but there maybe the option of coalitions.

In the meantime there's local elections which will be slightly more entertaining!

Please God someone stop her. She claims to represent the average person but she's killing the NHS and extending Austerity by stealth. Yet somehow she's massively popular.
They're already asking Corbyn if he's going to stand down after the Election.
They think it's already won.
I don't think I can take another five years but she's gonna get it.
The Labour MPs won't even stand behind their leader - they'd better get their acts together or we're all gonna be screwed.
Depressed.

If only everything was as it should be, Labour and Lib-Dems should both be calling for: If not Soft Brexit then No Brexit ....

but Corbyn is too self-obsessed to do that.


(From a previous Corbyn supporter)

Real smart woman. Thatcher with a heart. Irrespective of what all the moaners have to say about her she is very popular with the nation as a whole and the following years will show this to be justified as she steers us out of Europe while dealing with all the other orchestrated crap she has to put up with along the way at the same time. I have never voted Conservative in my life but will this time. I'm supporting our country like a true brit should under any difficult circumstance and won't be commenting further.

Oh dear. I voted for the LibDems once to stop tuition fees and ended up enabling Cameron and Osborne to begin massacring the poor. I never forgave myself.

I'm gonna vote with my heart and support Corbyn. He'll probably lose, the Labour Party will then become the Liberals mark 2, Scotland will leave the UK and England will never have a left wing govt in power again.
Very sad.
BTW, what evidence is there for May having a heart? I agree she resembles Thatcher though.
Shudder.

Here's how this thread reads to an outsiders point of view.....

Fuck this !!!!
Fuck That !!!!
Fuck You !!!!!
The Fuck you say !!!!!
Were Fucked !!!!!
I'm Fucked !!!!!
Your Fucked !!!!
The Children are Fucked !!!!
Fuck you, You fucking Fuck !!!!!

jeez....

Pretty much what Head Heritage has become.

I think that the UK is facing it's turning point in history...
All Ya'all can rally together and show the world what you can do in the face of adversity....
Or sink like a stone, and become forever more a poxy shit stained isle.
You know, you don't have to come begging the USA with your ass's in your hands before we are willing to help.
Don't forget that.
I've said this before :
Blood runs deep.

It is frustrating watching the seemingly endless stream of working people being wheeled out on the TV news saying "I've always previously voted Labour but this time I'm going to vote Conservative. Corbyn isn't leader material."

Turkeys voting for Christmas IMO.

I personally was very surprised. I'll be voting for Jeremy Corbyn in the hope there can be a coalition to out the Tories.
Let's make it happen ...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/20/european-parliament-will-welcome-britain-back-if-voters-veto-brexit?CMP=fb_gu

Captain Starlet wrote:
Can't say I'm overly surprised about today's call for a GE, even cameron didn't want to take on the obvious fiasco that was brexit and May's just shown how weak her hand is. Will this change anything? Doubtful, I don't believe Corbyn has enough public support to win a GE outright, but there maybe the option of coalitions.

In the meantime there's local elections which will be slightly more entertaining!

In local elections you are able to vote for the issue, here in North Yorks it is fracking, so my vote will go to a liberal (not liberal democrat) who fights against it. Our MP conservative Hollincrake, is for fracking of course.
Never in my life have I voted conservative, neither labour nor liberal. Green politics are what I stick to, even if I am throwing away a vote. Two words all political parties need to give up 'growth' and the 'economy', this is what is destroying the planet we live on.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/04/can-anybody-find-significant-difference-mays-policies-british-national-party-manifesto-2005/

Inspiring stuff, Jeremy Corbyn working hard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVcHvwtEbts

"A Labour government will seek to create four new UK-wide bank holidays on the patron saint's day of each of the home nations, Jeremy Corby has said."

Pathetic. Is this the best Labour can come up with? Sure we need more National Holidays but naming them after the four patron saints of the home nations! Really?

Some of these politicians don’t know what a box is, let alone be capable of thinking outside it. Other countries have loads more National Holidays than we do. In Japan for example National Holidays are held to celebrate things like the Spring Equinox, Respect for the Elderly Day, Culture Day, Children's Day, Sports Day (celebrated to promote the physical and mental health of people through sports), etc etc.

And we should stop calling them 'Bank Holidays' after what the banking riffraff did to us a few years ago! Though credit were credit's due to (Sir) John Lubbock who more-or-less kicked off the Bank Holiday tradition and who, among many good deeds, purchased Avebury in 1871 when the place was threatened with destruction.

More creative names for our National Holidays please.

Captain Starlet wrote:
Can't say I'm overly surprised about today's call for a GE
For the first time, a majority regret the Brexit decision ....
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/brexit-poll-times_uk_5901d53ce4b081a5c0fb1e16?
What if that becomes even more pronounced (and why wouldn't it? Brexit will increasingly become actual reality versus mere claims on a bus).

Was the snap election intended to provide a means to ignore it if it happened? "The only poll that matters, blah, blah"?

I found this piece by a traditional Welsh (previously) Conservative voter interesting.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/news-opinion/once-loyal-conservative-writes-disillusionment-12954216.amp

"Theresa May is deluding herself over Brexit, the EU Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker claimed after a disastrous Downing Street dinner last week.
German newspaper FAZ today printed a devastating insider account of the meeting between the Prime Minister and Juncker last Wednesday."

For those who have a wider interest in international affairs in general, the forthcoming election and the Brexit/EU issue in particular, this from the Independent on Tuesday, 21 March 2017 -

Independent wrote:
Brexit: Remind EU about cancelling German WW2 debt to get better deal, says senior Tory MP.

UK government ministers should remind the EU about the cancellation of German debt after the Second World War as they try to secure a better Brexit deal, a senior Conservative MP has said. Sir Bill Cash, a long-standing Eurosceptic, who chairs the House of Commons European Scrutiny Committee, said European officials wanting to whack Britain with a hefty Brexit bill were being “extravagant” and should remember how European countries had written off German debt in the 1950s.

His comments come amid concerns the EU will hand the UK a huge bill as soon as Theresa May triggers Article 50 and begins the formal Brexit process.

EU 'to take UK to The Hague' if it tries to avoid Brexit divorce bill

“Would you make sure that they do understand that we’ve been net contributors for many decades to the tune of what is now running at about nine or ten billion [pounds] a year [and] that our accumulated liabilities are offset by the extent to which we’ve made these massive contributions?”, Sir Bill told David James, a Brexit Minister, during a meeting of the European Scrutiny Select Committee.

He added: “Perhaps also to bear in mind that back in 1953 there was a thing called the London Debt Agreement, where Germany - for all its malfeasance during the Second World War and its unprovoked aggression - found that in 1953, in circumstances which were quite remarkable, that we remitted one half of all German debt.

“Therefore if you compare that situation with what it is now and given Germany's extremely dominant role in the EU at the moment it might be worth tactfully - not one of my strongest points - but tactfully reminding people that there is a realistic position here that we really don't owe anything to the EU whether it's legal or political.”

In response, Mr Jones said: “I'm not entirely sure how tactful one can be when one is mentioning the London Debt Agreement. But nevertheless, clearly there are a whole range of issues.”

The London Debt Agreement provided West Germany with relief on its post-war debts and tied repayments to the state of the country’s economy, in a bid to help it re-integrate with the West.

The nation have spoken locally...

Of course they are all idiots who have been brainwashed again LOL

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/theresa-may-gets-huge-surge-local-elections-disatrous-night-labour-ukip-073253644.html

I think the non-Tory part of the 50% who voted Brexit and could be bothered to vote yesterday ditched Labour and UKIP and put their considerable weight behind the Tories who are cleverly basing their whole raison d'etre on Brexit toughness to maximise their votes.
It's a pity that as soon as we get an anti-war political leader who doesn't spin, lie or fiddle expenses and seems to care about people his chances are just about mashed by the Brexit issue.

Oh well - it's gonna be another 5 years of cuts to school budgets and nurses queuing up at food banks.
At least we'll be able to say we're strong and stable while we suffer.
I'm a bit disillusioned with the way everything is to be honest.

"Ukip is effectively in power. We are about to find out just how catastrophically unhelpful its programme really is."

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2017/05/05/ukip-aren-t-dead-they-re-in-charge

Worth reading the long article linked by ryaner over on TMA, then asking yourself why policies seem to be absent from the debate, at least from the right:


"Martin Moore of King’s College, London, pointed out that elections were a newly fashionable tool for would-be authoritarian states. “Look at Erdo?an in Turkey. What Theresa May is doing is quite anti-democratic in a way. It’s about enhancing her power very deliberately. It’s not about a battle of policy between two parties.”

This is Britain in 2017. A Britain that increasingly looks like a “managed” democracy. Paid for a US billionaire. Using military-style technology. Delivered by Facebook. And enabled by us. If we let this referendum result stand, we are giving it our implicit consent. This isn’t about Remain or Leave. It goes far beyond party politics. It’s about the first step into a brave, new, increasingly undemocratic world."

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/07/the-great-british-brexit-robbery-hijacked-democracy?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Hunt masters see a big Tory majority as an opportunity to repeal the Hunting Act:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/this-could-chance-weve-been-10383290

The Establishment gets away with it again.

Sitting government government behaves in a probably illegal, underhand, anti-democratic way to bias the votes in an election, and retain power.
The Establishment lets them off the hook on a technicality because we can't have the Government in power recognised as officially corrupt.
Unofficially corrupt is OK, because they can get away with that and still legislate.

No wonder nobody has any faith in Politics or Authority any more. May knows her party has done wrong - everyone knows it - yet she sticks her fingers in her ears and says "La La La La La - can't hear you - didn't happen".

Just add this one to the shitlist of the establishment fixes and escapes, and don't ask any more why people don't bother voting.

I do love Noam Chomsky. It's a wonder he hasn't met some Mysterious End considering the things he says. Not that he gets much airtime so most people wouldn't have heard of him. Plus we all know ignorance is as valid as intelligent thought these days.

Here's a little article from today's paper
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/10/labour-partys-future-lies-with-momentum-says-noam-chomsky

He mentions how anti-Corbyn the media has been. And how him being "quiet, reserved, serious, he’s not a performer" doesn't suit the current electorate. Which is funny really, because that makes him sound very British. But perhaps the British now watch too much X factor.

Also that Sanders in America and Corbyn are part of the reaction against the failures of 'neoliberal policies' just like the rise of Farage and Trump.

anyway there we are. nice to hear his take on recent events

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/05/journalists-state-functionaries/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BUJjuoej8_X/

Now the main parties have publised their manifestos, hopefully voters will judge their policies not rhetoric.

Another Brexit promise broken ...
Britain won't leave the human rights court.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/uk-would-not-leave-human-rights-court-if-conservatives-re-elected-3rpblw9zp
Good. That was one of the most ominous proposals of all.

Tories BOW to wealthy antiques dealers and DROP ban on elephant ivory in manifesto

An elephant is killed every 15 minutes. China and USA are banning the trade completely but not shitty Tory Britain.
https://tompride.wordpress.com/2017/05/20/tories-bow-to-wealthy-antiques-dealers-and-drop-ban-on-elephant-ivory-in-manifesto/

She's folded. (Or listened as they are saying!) Not so strong and stable then.
There's going to be a "cap" on how much dementure tax you and your family pay.

(Of course, the effect and intention is that people in the South East will be allowed to keep a lot more than #100K as their houses are worth so much more than that whereas crappy Northerners won't as their houses aren't worth so much.)