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Re: Rock art. so what's that all about then. ?
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tiompan wrote:
faerygirl wrote:
The few things I have read (and maybe it just says a lot about the kind of books I opt for!) suggest its all part of Shaman rituals. If you take certain hallucinogens then you see concentric rings, squiggly lines, zigzags etc.

These were (and still are in areas where there are still shamans) often believed to be the ACTUAL next dimention or the land of the dead or the spirits of wherever you were trying to get to.

When Graham Hancock took ibogaine as study for the book Supernatural he saw the exact symbols that are often seen as rock art in ancient caves such a wiggly lines, serpents and circles.


Most of that thinking is due to the writings of David Lewis -Williams , which have been roundly refuted .
Rather than go into detail two problems (there are others but just in reference to the above ) are ; what hallucinogens produce only the very limited number and type of motifs found in rock art ? . If you have had no experience ask or read of others experience , it tends to be far more varied and interesting .We can't possibly know who engraved the prehistoric marking . Some shamen , or what is described as shamen by ethnographers (it can be a much wider category than the original meaning , encompassing almost anyone involved in religious /magical practices ) have been shown to have engraved motifs in the historical period and this has been extrapolated to periods and cultures that we can't possibly have evidence for .We also know that other obviously non shamanic types have also been shown to engrave rock art but this is conveniently ignored ,children or shepherds don't seem to have the same romantic cachet .


In 1990 Dr Rick Strassman carried out experiments with DMT on 60 people and almost all of them had the same or very similar experiences involving a medicinal, clean, metallic environment with "little men" or insect men carrying out experiments. Thats not recurring symbols but it IS producing a very limited motif.

The work of Harry Marriner looked at Columbian petrograph spirals and the understanding that (usually under the influence of hallucingens but also using other trance methods) Shamans passed through a spiralling vortex into the "trance dimension"

ref http://www.rupestreweb.info/espiral.html

Loads more references here to drugs usage and spirituality (takes some looking for things though so good luck!)

http://www.erowid.org/spirit/spirit.shtml


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Posted by faerygirl
26th July 2010ce
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