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tonyh wrote:
While on the subject of ropes..

You may wish to consider.

Does a rope produced in a modern Norwegian factory represent The type of rope available to late neolithic/bronze age Man..

Personaly..

I would not think so..

They may be using Neolithic material - Lime Tree Bast, but they are using later technology.

Wheels and gears

Tony


This is the problem with you Tony. You hardly ever contribute anything of real subtance yourself, you only heckle from the back row. You also accuse from a position of complete ignorance of the facts and make wild statements without ever justifying them yourself.

You accuse me of being aloof and condescending. I looked up those terms and found the following comment about condescention:

Dictionary wrote:
People who employ intentional condescension are often trying to intimidate, to inflict insult, to upset the status order, or to cause someone to "lose it."


I'd say that fits you a lot better than it fits me.

For your information the Norweigian ropemaker in question specialises in ancient techniques and all her rope is made entirely by hand. If you are genuinely interested in the subject I can let you have a copy of our correspondence.

You accused me of pinching Gordon's idea. Again you speak with total ignorance since you were not party to any of the events in question. I have looked back through all the transcripts of the Stonehengineers discussions and I find that I first suggested the concept of "progressive shoring" on August 31, 2003. Gordon's response to that posting was:

GordonP wrote:
Why are we thinking about getting less than 90 degree just to please the Archaeologists? The're not going to like this jumped up little chippie anyway. Get it as near 90 degrees as we can and I'll headbutt it 'til its right.


I have also found a copy of the drawing that I subsequently made and posted on the Stonehengineers group. This drawing shows a development of the original idea using logs insted of wedges. On this occasion Gordon did not make any response to the posting.

Although on a different subject altogether, the following is relevant because it shows how Gordon's ego ended up turning all the hard work put in by all the Stonehengineers into a complete farce, when he "pulled-rank" over me on this very subject.

I made this posting on August 26th 2003, but did it not receive a response from Gordon. Note that the date is nearly two years before the Foamhenge stone-dropping fiasco, yet it is almost a step-by-step prediction of what actually went wrong on the day. The following is the last paragraph of that posting, since the rest is of less relevance:

Steve Gray wrote:
One point that troubles me greatly is the release mechanism for the A frame. I can think of two disastrous scenarios. Firstly, what if one of the poles slid away cleanly, but the other dug into the ground? This would deflect the block sideways and it would miss the hole. Secondly, what if the A frame collapses on to the hole? The block would probably smash the timber as it hit, but it might be deflected enough so that it fails to "plant" correctly. I would prefer a release mechanism that caused the support to topple outwards away from the stone. One idea is to have a lever on top of the A frame with its long end projecting away from the stone. A rope attached to this lever could be run up and over the stone. When the rope is pulled (from the "safe" side of the stone), the lever moves upwards and prises the A frame out from under the stone. The A frame would then collapse out away from the path of the falling stone.



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Posted by Steve Gray
22nd November 2008ce
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