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"You igore the fact that dragging a 12 ton stone is expotentially much simpler than dragging a 30 or 45 tonner."

I'm not ignoring it I'm saying it's essentially not true.

I don't think anyone has yet hitched a team of 1000 or 2000 fit tug 'o war guys to a 45 ton stone. A healthy human can produce about 1.2 horse power briefly and trained athletes can manage up to about 0.3 horsepower for a period of several hours. That's many hundreds of horses.

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Posted by nigelswift
18th November 2008ce
11:56

(Littlestone, Jun 14, 2006, 10:57)

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        and a response (Pete G, Jun 17, 2006, 17:14)
        Known examples (StoneLifter, Jun 17, 2006, 18:02)
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        Also (StoneLifter, Jun 18, 2006, 09:57)
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        Bluestones (Stoneshifter, Nov 18, 2008, 10:39)
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        For what it's worth... (Moth, Nov 21, 2008, 02:33)
        Re: For what it's worth... (goffik, Nov 21, 2008, 12:14)
        Re: For what it's worth... (tonyh, Nov 21, 2008, 18:54)
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        Re: For what it's worth... (Steve Gray, Nov 22, 2008, 16:38)
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        Bluestains debated (Stoneshifter, Nov 18, 2008, 20:06)
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