In response to requests in another forum, I will post here some bits of the email correspondence I've had with experts.
Some background - I had been looking through the index of W.J. Watson's "The History of the Celtic Placenames of Scotland" (as you do), when I noticed that the element "maes-" was defined as meaning a plain or field, derived from the early Celtic "mages-", and related to similar words in Cornish ("mes") and Breton ("meaz"). I have since learned that "maes" is also used in Welsh, described to me by a Welsh speaking friend as a "formal way" to refer to a field. I recalled that there is some confusion about the origin of the name "Maeshowe", largely because no good meaning of the "maes-" element can be found. A number of explanations have been put forward, "Maiden's Howe" etc.., and all of these sound reasonable enough to me if this site was the only one that featured the "maes-" element. But it isn't.
I think it's reasonable enough to assume that the pre-Viking inhabitants of Orkney probably spoke a varient of the "Pictish" language of almost certain Celtic origin (can anybody confirm/disprove this, by the way?). Therefore, I think it is reasonable to assume that the "maes-" element in Orkney placenames is indeed of Celtic origin, and means "field" or "plain". This would certainly fit most of the places where it is found, from a physical description of the surrounding geography. I decided to email a few experts, to see what they thought.
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Reply | with quote | Posted by Lianachan 22nd April 2005ce 09:44 |
Entymology of Maeshowe - discussed with experts (Lianachan, Apr 22, 2005, 09:44)- Entymology of Maeshowe - Part II (Lianachan, Apr 22, 2005, 09:45)
- A new response. (Lianachan, Apr 22, 2005, 14:58)
- aargh (Lianachan, Apr 22, 2005, 16:32)
- Re: aargh (follow that cow, Apr 23, 2005, 09:36)
- Another response (Lianachan, Apr 26, 2005, 23:33)
- An excellent resource about "Pictish" (Lianachan, Apr 29, 2005, 13:03)
- Re: Pretanike-Britain, Breton, Prythain or Picti? (follow that cow, Apr 30, 2005, 16:28)
- Re: Pretanike-Britain, Breton, Prythain or Picti? (Littlestone, Apr 30, 2005, 23:44)
- Re: Pretanike-Britain, Breton, Prythain or Picti? (BigSweetie, May 01, 2005, 11:37)
- Re: Pretanike-Britain, Breton, Prythain or Picti? (Littlestone, May 01, 2005, 13:53)
- Re: Pretanike-Britain, Breton, Prythain or Picti? (BigSweetie, May 01, 2005, 16:24)
- Re: Pretanike-Britain, Breton, Prythain or Picti? (Littlestone, May 01, 2005, 19:06)
- Re: Pretanike-Britain, Breton, Prythain or Picti? (BigSweetie, May 01, 2005, 21:11)
- Re: Pretanike-Britain, Breton, Prythain or Picti? (Littlestone, May 01, 2005, 22:16)
- Re: Pretanike-Britain, Breton, Prythain or Picti? (PeterH, May 01, 2005, 22:18)
- Re: Pretanike-Britain, Breton, Prythain or Picti? (BigSweetie, May 01, 2005, 11:32)
- Re: Pretanike-Britain, Breton, Prythain or Picti? (PeterH, May 02, 2005, 09:34)
- Re: Pretanike-Britain, Breton, Prythain or Picti? (follow that cow, May 02, 2005, 10:32)
- Re: Pretanike-Britain, Breton, Prythain or Picti? (Littlestone, May 02, 2005, 11:34)
- Re: Pretanike-Britain, Breton, Prythain or Picti? (moss, May 02, 2005, 15:11)
- Re: Pretanike-Britain, Breton, Prythain or Picti? (Littlestone, May 02, 2005, 17:16)
- Re: Pretanike-Britain, Breton, Prythain or Picti? (PeterH, May 02, 2005, 18:57)
- Re: Pretanike-Britain, Breton, Prythain or Picti? (hamish, May 02, 2005, 20:41)
- Re: Pretanike-Britain, Breton, Prythain or Picti? (PeterH, May 02, 2005, 21:44)
- Re: Pretanike-Britain, Breton, Prythain or Picti? (PeterH, May 02, 2005, 21:49)
- Re: Pretanike-Britain, Breton, Prythain or Picti? (BigSweetie, May 03, 2005, 01:11)
- Re: Pretanike-Britain, Breton, Prythain or Picti? (hamish, May 02, 2005, 20:41)
- Re: Pretanike-Britain, Breton, Prythain or Picti? (Littlestone, May 02, 2005, 22:37)
- Re: Pretanike-Britain, Breton, Prythain or Picti? (PeterH, May 02, 2005, 23:02)
- Re: Pretanike-Britain, Breton, Prythain or Picti? (PeterH, May 02, 2005, 23:04)
- Re: Pretanike-Britain, Breton, Prythain or Picti? (Littlestone, May 02, 2005, 23:33)
- Re: Pretanike-Britain, Breton, Prythain or Picti? (follow that cow, May 02, 2005, 23:21)
- Re: Pretanike-Britain, Breton, Prythain or Picti? (PeterH, May 03, 2005, 08:23)
- Re: Pretanike-Britain, Breton, Prythain or Picti? (follow that cow, May 03, 2005, 12:19)
- Re: Pretanike-Britain, Breton, Prythain or Picti? (BigSweetie, May 03, 2005, 15:54)
- Survival (Littlestone, May 03, 2005, 17:18)
- Re: Pretanike-Britain, Breton, Prythain or Picti? (follow that cow, May 03, 2005, 18:22)
- Re: Pretanike-Britain, Breton, Prythain or Picti? (BigSweetie, May 03, 2005, 21:38)
- Re: Pretanike-Britain, Breton, Prythain or Picti? (PeterH, May 03, 2005, 22:01)
- Re: Pretanike-Britain, Breton, Prythain or Picti? (follow that cow, May 03, 2005, 22:29)
- Re: Pretanike-Britain, Breton, Prythain or Picti? (BigSweetie, May 04, 2005, 00:32)
- Re: Pretanike-Britain, Breton, Prythain or Picti? (PeterH, May 04, 2005, 03:08)
- Re: Pretanike-Britain, Breton, Prythain or Picti? (PeterH, May 03, 2005, 22:14)
- Re: Entymology of Maeshowe - discussed with exp... (Pilgrim, May 05, 2005, 23:06)
- Etymology of Maeshowe: Update & Answer? (Lianachan, Jun 03, 2005, 14:25)
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