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A funny joke, true. Does a good job pointing out the problems with "aquisition for aquisition's sake" but I think that is more of a cultural than economic issue.

It kind of misses the point because obviously we can't all live the easy life of the Mexican fisherman in the story. Think of a city like London or New York -- 10 million people in a crowded area are all supposed to get their own boats and catch a few fish every day? Not feasible in any way.

In order to support the population we have, people need to specialize. One guy builds a whole lot of boats, another guy catches a whole lot of fish, etc. Farmers out in Sussex (is that a rural area?) or Nebraska ship in grain (cuz the fish supply around London/NY is limited and you don't want to over-fish) and so forth.

Of course you can say "we should all go back to nature and lead simple lives" but again I don't see how that can be accomplished without the death of millions. Think of someplace as densely populated as China -- it was only through "modernisation" of their economy that they've finally been able to feed everyone in the first place! (There was still mass starvation even under Mao.)

Basically . . . you can't go back without reducing the earth's population a LOT. There is no way but forward.

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Posted by Dog 3000
9th September 2003ce
21:55

(morfe lux, Sep 08, 2003, 15:21)

neither will... (morfe lux, Sep 08, 2003, 15:24)
Re: What is better than Capitalism? (Rhiannon, Sep 08, 2003, 16:09)
- Re: What is better than Capitalism? (Lawrence, Sep 08, 2003, 18:09)
- Small scale societies where you . . . (Dog 3000, Sep 08, 2003, 20:03)
  - Re: Small scale societies where you . . . (morfe lux, Sep 08, 2003, 20:17)
    - Re: Small scale societies where you . . (anthonyqkiernan, Sep 08, 2003, 20:20)
      - Re: Small scale societies where you . . (Dog 3000, Sep 08, 2003, 20:32)
        moral concerns (morfe lux, Sep 08, 2003, 20:51)
        "Natural capitalism"? (Dog 3000, Sep 08, 2003, 21:11)
        Re: "Natural capitalism"? (MonkeyBoy, Sep 08, 2003, 22:57)
        Re: "Natural capitalism"? (Dog 3000, Sep 08, 2003, 23:02)
        Re: "Natural capitalism"? (MonkeyBoy, Sep 08, 2003, 23:30)
        "Common ownership"? (Dog 3000, Sep 08, 2003, 23:44)
        Re: "Common ownership"? (MonkeyBoy, Sep 08, 2003, 23:55)
        Re: "Common ownership"? (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 00:04)
        Re: moral concerns (anthonyqkiernan, Sep 08, 2003, 21:13)
        Re: moral concerns (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 01:27)
        Re: moral concerns (anthonyqkiernan, Sep 09, 2003, 12:08)
        Re: moral concerns (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 15:23)
    - Capitalism the term (Dog 3000, Sep 08, 2003, 20:27)
      - Re: Capitalism the term (FourWinds, Sep 09, 2003, 10:48)
      - Re: Capitalism the term (necropolist, Sep 09, 2003, 12:49)
        Re: Capitalism the term (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 15:26)
        Re: Capitalism the term (shamanic miner, Sep 09, 2003, 15:37)
        PS (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 15:41)
        What do you think would be better? (necropolist, Sep 09, 2003, 16:21)
  - Re: Small scale societies where you . . . (MonkeyBoy, Sep 08, 2003, 23:45)
    - Re: Small scale societies where you . . . (Dog 3000, Sep 08, 2003, 23:50)
- Re: What is better than Capitalism? (morfe lux, Sep 08, 2003, 20:27)
  - Re: What is better than Capitalism? (FourWinds, Sep 09, 2003, 11:34)
    - Re: What is better than Capitalism? (Toni Torino, Sep 09, 2003, 11:37)
      - Re: What is better than Capitalism? (FourWinds, Sep 09, 2003, 11:40)
        Re: What is better than Capitalism? (Toni Torino, Sep 09, 2003, 11:41)
        Re: What is better than Capitalism? (ron, Sep 09, 2003, 20:27)
    - Re: What is better than Capitalism? (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 15:45)
Re: What is better than Capitalism? (mistletoe, Sep 08, 2003, 21:43)
- Sorry. That was me not mistletoe... (PaulMakesMusic, Sep 08, 2003, 21:47)
- Re: What is better than Capitalism? (Dog 3000, Sep 08, 2003, 22:55)
  - Re: What is better than Capitalism? (MonkeyBoy, Sep 08, 2003, 23:35)
    - A world without "money" (Dog 3000, Sep 08, 2003, 23:39)
      - Re: A world without "money" (MonkeyBoy, Sep 09, 2003, 00:08)
        Re: A world without "money" (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 00:15)
        Re: A world without "money" (MonkeyBoy, Sep 09, 2003, 00:38)
        Re: A world without "money" (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 02:20)
        Re: A world without "money" (necropolist, Sep 09, 2003, 13:49)
        The real question is (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 15:48)
        Re: The real question is (necropolist, Sep 09, 2003, 16:15)
        Re: The real question is (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 17:28)
        Re: The real question is (stray, Sep 09, 2003, 18:27)
        Re: The real question is (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 21:07)
        Re: The real question is (stray, Sep 09, 2003, 22:46)
        Re: The real question is (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 22:58)
        Re: The real question is (stray, Sep 09, 2003, 23:11)
        Re: The real question is (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 23:21)
        Re: The real question is (stray, Sep 09, 2003, 23:53)
        Re: The real question is (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 00:00)
        Re: The real question is (necropolist, Sep 10, 2003, 09:48)
        marx & the internet (necropolist, Sep 10, 2003, 09:58)
        Re: The real question is (necropolist, Sep 10, 2003, 10:14)
        o bugger, another final point (necropolist, Sep 10, 2003, 10:51)
        Marx again (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 19:11)
        Re: Marx again (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 19:21)
        Re: Marx again (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 19:24)
        Re: Marx again (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 19:26)
        Re: Marx again (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 19:35)
        Re: Marx again (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 19:45)
        Re: Marx again (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 19:59)
        Re: Marx again (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 20:03)
        Re: Marx again (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 20:10)
        Re: Marx again (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 20:22)
        Freedom (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 20:37)
        Born free. (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 20:27)
        Re: Born free. (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 20:34)
        Re: Born free. (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 20:45)
        War (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 21:33)
        Re: War (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 22:01)
        Re: War (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 22:11)
        Re: War (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 22:24)
        Nature (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 22:35)
        Re: Nature (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 23:06)
        Re: Nature (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 23:19)
        Re: Nature (Dog 3000, Sep 11, 2003, 00:02)
        Re: Nature (morfe lux, Sep 11, 2003, 01:49)
        Re: War (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 22:16)
        Re: War (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 22:18)
        Re: War (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 22:34)
        Selfishness (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 22:38)
        Re: War & Human nature (necropolist, Sep 11, 2003, 01:55)
        Re: Marx again (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 19:27)
        Re: Marx again (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 19:38)
        Re: Marx again (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 19:52)
        predictions & a bit of state capitalism (necropolist, Sep 11, 2003, 01:35)
        the 'system' (necropolist, Sep 11, 2003, 01:47)
        Re: o bugger, another final point (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 22:22)
        Re: o bugger, another final point (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 22:36)
        ah! (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 22:42)
        Re: ah! (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 22:54)
        Re: o bugger, another final point (necropolist, Sep 11, 2003, 00:37)
    - Re: What is better than Capitalism? (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 01:34)
      - Re: What is better than Capitalism? (FourWinds, Sep 09, 2003, 11:39)
        The question of liquid cheese (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 16:07)
        plus (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 16:19)
        Re: plus (necropolist, Sep 09, 2003, 16:27)
        Re: plus (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 16:33)
        Re: plus (necropolist, Sep 09, 2003, 16:48)
- Re: What is better than Capitalism? (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 01:31)
  - Re: What is better than Capitalism? (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 02:16)
    - Re: What is better than Capitalism? (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 03:24)
      - Technology! (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 04:03)
        Re: Technology! (FourWinds, Sep 09, 2003, 11:49)
        Re: Technology! (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 17:34)
        Re: Technology! (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 19:13)
        Re: Technology! (anthonyqkiernan, Sep 09, 2003, 20:01)
        Re: Technology! (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 20:12)
        Re: Technology! (anthonyqkiernan, Sep 09, 2003, 20:27)
        Re: Technology! (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 21:55)
        Re: Technology! (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 22:03)
        Re: Technology! (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 22:09)
        Re: Technology! (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 22:21)
        Re: Technology! (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 22:39)
        Back of the class (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 22:54)
        Re: Back of the class (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 23:01)
        Re: Back of the class (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 23:10)
        Re: Back of the class (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 23:22)
        I'm overworked! (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 23:29)
        Re: Technology! (FourWinds, Sep 10, 2003, 07:27)
        3rd world birth rates (necropolist, Sep 10, 2003, 11:02)
        Re: 3rd world birth rates (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 19:21)
        Re: 3rd world birth rates (necropolist, Sep 10, 2003, 23:58)
        Re: 3rd world birth rates (Dog 3000, Sep 11, 2003, 00:22)
        Re: 3rd world birth rates (necropolist, Sep 11, 2003, 00:53)
        Re: 3rd world birth rates (Dog 3000, Sep 11, 2003, 06:18)
        Re: 3rd world birth rates (necropolist, Sep 11, 2003, 09:40)
        Re: 3rd world birth rates (Dog 3000, Sep 11, 2003, 18:56)
        Re: 3rd world birth rates (necropolist, Sep 11, 2003, 21:16)
        Re: 3rd world birth rates (necropolist, Sep 11, 2003, 21:21)
        Re: 3rd world birth rates (Dog 3000, Sep 11, 2003, 22:23)
        Blink and you will miss it (FourWinds, Sep 11, 2003, 07:19)
        Re: Blink and you will miss it (morfe lux, Sep 11, 2003, 14:54)
        Re: Blink and you will miss it (morfe lux, Sep 11, 2003, 15:08)
        Re: Technology! (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 22:13)
        Re: Technology! (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 22:13)
        Re: Technology! (FourWinds, Sep 10, 2003, 07:31)
        Re: Technology! (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 19:25)
        Re: Technology! (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 19:37)
        Re: Technology! (MonkeyBoy, Sep 10, 2003, 19:49)
        Re: Technology! (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 19:56)
        Re: Technology! (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 19:55)
        Re: Technology! (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 19:59)
        Re: Technology! (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 20:17)
        Re: Technology! (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 20:31)
        Re: Technology! (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 20:49)
        Re: Technology! (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 22:48)
        Re: Technology! (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 23:12)
        Re: Technology! (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 15:52)
        Re: Technology! (ron, Sep 09, 2003, 20:19)
        Re: Technology! (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 21:29)
        Re: Technology! (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 21:47)
        Re: Technology! (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 22:06)
        fission (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 22:42)
        Re: fission (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 22:44)
        Re: fission (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 22:57)
        fusion (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 23:04)
        Re: Technology! (FourWinds, Sep 10, 2003, 07:36)
        Re: Technology! (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 19:23)
        Re: Technology! (ron, Sep 09, 2003, 22:12)
      - Re: What is better than Capitalism? (cancer boy, Sep 09, 2003, 16:36)
        Re: What is better than Capitalism? (necropolist, Sep 09, 2003, 16:46)
        Re: What is better than Capitalism? (ratcni01, Sep 09, 2003, 23:28)
Radio 4 in the next half hour (anthonyqkiernan, Sep 08, 2003, 22:16)
Re: What is better than Capitalism? (Proserpine, Sep 08, 2003, 22:26)
- Owls (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 01:37)
Re: What is better than Capitalism? (Proserpine, Sep 08, 2003, 22:44)
An Anarchist Communist Theocracy (stray, Sep 09, 2003, 18:30)
Re: wow (Moon Cat, Sep 09, 2003, 20:23)
- Re: wow (anthonyqkiernan, Sep 09, 2003, 20:30)
  - Re: wow (Moon Cat, Sep 09, 2003, 20:32)
    - The Purple Age Of Moon Cat..... (Toni Torino, Sep 10, 2003, 11:12)
Re: What is better than Capitalism? (shamanic miner, Sep 10, 2003, 13:27)

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